Friday, April 27, 2012

Is There Too Much Female Nudity in Peru?

I recently came across a Facebook discussion featuring a Peru this Week article titled "Why I Complain About Ubiquitous Female Nudity in Peru."  It's an interesting and well-meaning article, but I think it represents an interesting cultural clash that the author isn't even aware of.

You see, the argument that "taking pictures of women in very little clothing 'objectifies' them" is something that is taken for scientific fact in the US, even though it's not one of those things you can really measure.  I always thought it was odd that there is such a contingent of people in the US who scream and yell how "bad" it is for a woman to walk around in a bathing suit, when there is also a contingent of people in the US who scream and yell how "bad" it is when oppressive societies like the Taliban force women to wear bulky robes and cover their body from head to toe.

Somehow I don't think the Taliban is doing that because they want to draw attention to these women's intellect.

The other implied thought on all this is that somehow the instigators are men.  But I think if you stop and actually look at these things scientifically (instead of just the knee-jerk assumption act), I think you'll recognize that many of the magazines that the author of the above article is complaining about are women's fashion magazines, or advertisements designed to get the attention of women (the picture I used at the top of this article is an exception).

My guess is that using images of scantily clad women is as likely or more likely to attract the eye of ladies with the message, "you too can look like this?"  Does the fact that this kind of argument work imply that women have been brainwashed into overemphasize seeking an "object" status?

I don't think so.

Honestly, isn't everybody enticed by the idea of having an attractive, healthy body?  Doesn't everyone want the type of body they can flaunt at the beach without embarrassment?  What's unhealthy about that?

It always makes me laugh how Americans are ONLY bent out of shape by how "delicate" female minds perceive things (as if young boys NEVER have any acceptance issues with their own bodies).

Actually, I think if it's a matter of self-esteem, women are far more likely to be attacked by other women than they are by men.  For example, if a woman is walking along looking lovely in a nice summer dress, and some woman approaches her and says, "why are you objectifying yourself, don't you have any self-respect?" that's more likely to cause permanent damage to the woman's psyche than some man complimenting her on how nice she looks.

Honestly, this whole "pictures of attractive women objectify the gender" is completely bunk.  I remember how my wife used to get all kinds of crap from other women just because she was more attractive than them.  Luckily my wife is a strong enough person to say, "screw you, I like how I look, and if it bothers you that I'm attractive and you're disgusting then that's your problem."

Really, this whole issue, not just the article referenced above but the fact that this "objectification" theory is constantly tossed out there like it's indisputable, only represents an assault on women by women.  That it's under the guise of "we want to empower women" makes it all the more despicable.

You can look attractive and healthy, and still develop and be known for a remarkable intellect.  Just because a bunch of old shrews don't like that you steal their attention by looking and dressing nice doesn't mean you're under any obligation to hide your beauty.


  1. That's an incredibly interesting topic, Mr Peru. ?Thanks for bringing it up. The fact is: There's nothing wrong about the human body and if people enjoy looking at naked people, so what! And if men or women enjoy displaying their bodies in public, again, I see basically nothing wring with that. Actually, anyone who takes care of their bodies and creates something of beauty with it has earned the right to show it off and garner praise from those looking at it. Just as we marvel at beautiful scupture of naked people by a Michaelangelo and hold it in high regard, so too should we be able to appreciate naked people if they appear in magazines, in films, or on the beach.I know that this goes against conventional wisdom, but their's too much repression of things that are harmless and actually healthy in society, and it's best that we curb much of it.

    All that objectification business is bunk. Everyone is treated as an object in one way or another. I'd rather have someone walking around naked displaying a nice body on the beach and be considered an admirable and beautiful object than having that person working like a dog for 8 hours at some shitty job as a wage slave.

  2. Someone should write an article about all the childish immature whining expats in Peru who neither bother to learn Spanish let alone the culture outside their pituco bubble. Perhaps you already have.

  3. Dean Charles MarshallApril 27, 2012 at 5:55 AM

    My Peruvian wife watches shows on Peru Majico and Sus Peru we get here in the states through Direct TV satellite that are so awash in scantily dressed "hootchies" shaking their asses and flinging their tits around with salsa abandon it's almost pornographic, but not quite because there's no coital fornication and besides there's always tons of kids in the studio audience. Hey I'm not offended! I totally agree with my compatriot Dr. Anonymous, "All that objection business is bunk". Why do people always try and claim the moral "high ground"? Heck even a retard knows if it wasn't for porn there would be no Internet. I'm sorry, but the ad revenue sites like the "Streets of Peru" generate on the Internet is chump change compared to the tsunami like profits sites offering 24/7 "three way" bestiality are raking in. But I digress. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if you don't like what you see than turn away, but keep your mouth shut in terms of telling me what I can or can not see, because that's censorship.

  4. The entire world (and not just the US) seems to me like the Vonnegut short story Harrison Bergeron. If you're too pretty, they put a mask on you. If you're too smart, they give you headphones that play deafening noises so you can't think. If you're too strong, they handicap you with weights.

    People's lust for control over others is sickening to me.

  5. I really don't know if Mr Peru or anyone else wrote anything about pituco expats. There certainly are plenty of expets walking around who think themselves superior to the humble Peruvians who lack their money or education, and I've seen tons of expat pitucos acting just like those of the Peruvian upper and middle classes who treat lower class Peruvians little better than dogs.It's really quite disgraceful and,to some extent, is a reflection of long standing Imperialistic foreign policies. Actually, it's been my experience that Germans have been the worst of the lot, and way too many of them seem to come to Peru with arrogant and overbearing Nazi-like attitudes of racial superiority. I've had to put more than one of these jokers in their place on occasion. I really wish that these expat pitucos could spend more time indoors watching chef Wong's cebiche demonstrations,than outdoors causing trouble, but I don't think there's much chance of that!

  6. Might as well wade in and stir the opened can of worms.

    I am guessing the author of the original article is a woman but "Alix Farr" is a pretty asexual spelling so I am not sure.

    He/she made a few interesting points but Alix is judging another culture by a different set of standards and would probably have issues with how women are treated whereever he/she happened to be, I quote:

    "This sort of nudity brands journalism as men’s reading material, whether intentionally or not. I feel awkward picking up a Caretas, and to be honest, I haven’t since that first naïve attempt. I would never stand outside a newsstand attempting to read top headlines because it is uncomfortable to have women in contorted “sexy” poses staring back at me."

    On the flip side to this many Peruvian women use their gender to their advantage (your will find it everywhere but I think it is more prevalent in Peru). At its most basic they will bitch and moan about how sexist Peruvian society is and what a bunch of pigs Peruvian men but expect to be collected and dropped off at their door (or have their taxis paid for)and all drinks, food, entrance to bars/discos etc covered (for her and her friends). And I am not talking about some girl I am taking on a date, this is generally what a lot of Peruvian women expect.

    Now I don't know about you but not many of my buddies expect me to pay for their drinks all night and then get snitty when I can't be bothered driving them home.

    Another cultural phenomenon I have noticed, and I could be wrong and don't have a huge database on which to test this assumption (but it would make an interesting subject for a social science doctorate) is the tendency in Peru for women, particularly educated and attractive women, to go to University then get married to someone who can keep them in the style to which they are accustomed, have a bunch of kids and do the middle to upper class housewife thing.

    You just don't see many women in Peru, especially attractive ones, going into business and following a career. In Colombia, on the other hand, I have come across a lot more women in business following a more North American or European route and following a career.

    I am not advocating or criticizing either of these options but pointing out that there are cultural differences and you should not judge other cultures by your own standards.

    And don't you just hate the way all those people cluster round the newsstands trying to read those top headlines and stop you from checking out all the tits and ass on display.

  7. Such a good topic as Dr Anonymous points out, I thought I would wade in again.

    It is worth reading the comments from the original article. They pretty much lay in to Alix about applying her (it can't be a guy) standards to other cultures.

    I particularly liked the comment from Rocio (as it kind of supports my arguments):

    "Hi Alix You do find it in various degrees around the world, but in Peru it is so in your face and in such bad taste. The worst culprits are the women themselves! they provide their boyfriends, fiances, husbands and brothers with explicit videos, allow them to go out with their maates while they get left at home looking after the kids, for these men to go out and find mistresses and then they wonder afterwards when they put them on a platter. Educate the women first"

    Incidentally some of Ben's points where excellent. Taliban drawing attention to a womans intellect. Classic.

  8. Speaking of Sur Peru, I've met my fair share of Peruchas, none of them looked like the chicas on Habicilar...

    Is there too much female nudity in Peru? No, and believe me, I've looked :D

  9. I understand what you're saying... But, actually, that type of women that you're showing on that newspaper (low class newspaper), is not the same type of women that you see on a fashion magazine. On a fashion magazine, even here in Perú, women are really skinny and everything is more about the clothes. But this woman is curvy and showing a lot, and that's what you see in cheap newspapers and advertising everywhere... So yeah maybe it does objectify women. Now, it's true women should not have barriers regarding how they dress (as long as they cover the essential parts), but these women are doing it for a job and following orders, and they would also do it if they didn't have to show so much. And i think it's not really about the women roles, it's about men. Because they're the ones who get too distracted by that massive publicity. The worst part is that it's really massive in, like i said, cheap newspapers, for people with less money, which only contributes to them only caring about the naked girls they'll see and not about the news themselves, which contributes to their remaining ignorance and that only means more of bad elections and worse and worse presidents and therefore a worse country.